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[POLL] What do you use symfony for?

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[POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by francois » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:43 pm

We'd like to get a better understanding of the symfony community.
Would you mind spending a few minutes to answer these questions?
It will help us to see where our efforts should focus first.

Nationality:
Age:
Sex:
Professional activity:

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees / Between 10 and 50 / Between 50 and 500 / More than 500 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional / Personal / Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes / No

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite / Community / Professional / Magazine / Other

Since when?

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1
2
3
- :
1
2
3

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1.
2.
3.

Which other framework do you use?

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1.
2.
3.

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1.
2.
3.

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation / More Support / More Training / Other

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?

Thanks for your time :P
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by Draven » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:55 pm

Nationality: Canadian
Age: 28
Sex: M
Professional activity: Web Application Developer / Web Designer

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
A post on SitePoints Forums

Since when? January 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 I18n support
2 Admin Generator
3 Propel
- :
1 Reliance on Propel
2 Reliance on Pear
3 Speed

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Admin Generator
2. Caching
3. MVC

Which other framework do you use?
Tried them all

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Rails
2. Symfony
3. Mongrel

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Cost and community support

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Cost
2. Community Support
3. Ability to give your input on the projects direction

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Too many to name, honestly

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation / More Support / More Training

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Enterprise stability and speed
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by progrmr » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:10 pm

Nationality: American
Age: 36
Sex: M
Professional activity: Sr. Web Architect

What’s the size of your company?
More than 500 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite

Since when?
Yesterday :)~ :-)~ :smile:

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. Utilizes PHP (EX:more resources available vs. Ruby)
2. Provides standardized approach to application development
3.
- :
1. Stability
2. Larger learning curve
3.

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1.
2.
3.

Which other framework do you use?

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Struts
2. .NET
3. Rails

(evaluating Symfony at this time)

Do you only use Open Source? No

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Cost
2. Availability of addons through the open source community
3. Support through the community

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Still evaluating - most likely intranet/community/collaboration

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Solid framework that can bring PHP into the enterprise for large scale, scalable solutions to business problems.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by martin_h » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:26 pm

Nationality: Swedish
Age: 30
Sex: M
Professional activity: Graphic Industry (work as CEO but spend part of my time as webdeveloper)

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite

Since when?
November 2005

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Great community / Support
2 Good documentation / Easy to learn
3 Rapid development / Growing mature fast...
- :
1 Not that many addons yet (since the framework and pluginsystem is quite new)
2 Not totally separated layout / code (so that I can give layout part to external person)
3 Handling many rows in a database gets pretty slow with Propel. Hard to find documentation about other ways...

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC with PHP
2. Plugins
3. crud-generator

Which other framework do you use?
None

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony :D~ :-D~ :grin:
2.
3.

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Mostly.
Because it's cheap, it's possible to extend and a great communitysupport.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Economy
2. Flexibility
3. Support

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
It varies. From simple websites to company specific productionmanagement applications...

What would you like to see develop around symfony
A library of plugins to handle common features.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
- A stable version of pluginsystem
- Possibility to use multiple versions of Symfony on one server (with a setting somewhere that indicates which version to use). So that I can develop one future app in a alpha/beta version and still do smaller adjustments in more stable projects.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by moreweb » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:01 am

Nationality: Italian
Age: 26
Sex: M
Professional activity: Sys Admin

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?

Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Community

Since when?
Two months ago

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 I18N
2 Admin generator
3 Command line options
- :
1 Propel limits
2 Speed

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Admin Generator
2. MVC
3. Caching

Which other framework do you use?
I've do some tests ony with PHP frameworks (CakePHP and ZendFramework)

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. CakePHP
3. ZendFramework

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
No

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Big community and support
2. Cost

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Intranet, community, little e-commerce and gallery

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More Documentation / More Support

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Fast-growing of the plugins area.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by Antik » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:28 pm

Nationality: Russian
Age: 22
Sex: M
Professional activity: Sys Admin / Web Application Developer / Web Designer

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
No (but it will be soon)

How did you get to know symfony?
Community

Since when?
May 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 I18N
2 Admin Generator
3 AJAX
- :
1 Larger learning curve
2 Propel
3 Speed

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Cache
2. I18N
3. Admin Generator

Which other framework do you use?
CakePHP, Zend Framework, Rails

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Rails
2. Symfony
3. CakePHP

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Only open source. Economical Reasons. :)~ :-)~ :smile:

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Big community and support
2. Cost
3. Possibility to edit source code.

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
community, e-commerce

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation (Propel Criteria Examples, Better Documentation for Database Related classes).
More screencasts and examples.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
More plugins and open projects (as askeet).
International Support sites on German, Russian, Spanish and etc languages.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by COil » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:02 pm

Nationality: French
Age: 28
Sex: M
Professional activity: Webdeveloper

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
No

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite / Community / framework test

Since when?
2 months ago

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 - Admin generator
2 - Rapidity to develop when learned
3 - Documentation / community
- : (same as Antik)
1 - Propel for complex queries
2 - Speed
3 - Learning curve

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Admin gen
2. I18n
3. Database managment (generate schema, load datas...

Which other framework do you use?

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2.(did not tried others) CakePHP seems good
3. Ruby (based on reputation)

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
For PHP yes.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Power of community
2. Cost
3. Stability of big project

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
E-commerce

What would you like to see develop around symfony
- More documentation : APIS
- Alternative to Propel
- Report generator
- plugin database


What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
- A future... i hope this project will continue to grow
and to be developped
- Optimize speed
- More docs, tutorials
- Plugin for eclipse ? ( ;)~ ;-)~ :wink: )
- More cheatsheet
- The book (paper format)
- A certification ? ;)~ ;-)~ :wink:
...
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by donharold » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:15 pm

Nationality: German
Age: 31
Sex: male
Professional activity: Freelance Designer/Developer

What’s the size of your company?
1

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Propel mailing list (was using Propel before)

Since when?
Known about since ~0.4
Played with since ~0.6
One project in production since 2 months

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
(to little experience with other frameworks to give a good answer)

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Generators
2. Propel
3. Cache

Which other framework do you use?
Struts and my own PHP framwork

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
(to little experience with other frameworks to give a good answer)

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
For web development, yes. Reasons see below.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Security
2. Stability
3. Support

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Developed one intranet and one community site so far.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
I thinks features are overall sufficient. IMO, most more specific addons often need to be customized anyway, so I'd rather like to see development effort go into stability, performance, and convenience than into additional features.

One feature that will become important over time is the ability to use different versions of symfony and plugins on one server.

Support is very good overall, but IMO suffers from the separation into the forum and the ML. Things either get duplicated or reach only a part of the potential audience.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
If you can keep up the level of development progress, documentation, and support, there's nothing left to hope for :)~ :-)~ :smile:

// edit: I also hope Propel stays in, reading all the negative reaction above :)~ :-)~ :smile: I really think it's the best PHP ORM around.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by zYne » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:36 pm

It seems most of the users here list Propel is one of the most significant upsides of Symfony.

Have you guys tried Doctrine? :)~ :-)~ :smile:

Feature list: swik.net/Doctrine

Homesite: www.phpdoctrine.com

Trac: http://doctrine.pengus.net/trac

SVN: http://doctrine.pengus.net/svn

As an author of Doctrine my opinion about the best ORM framework is clearly biased. However there are some significant benefits that come along with Doctrine:

1. Raw sql, doctrine supports object population trhough raw sql much the same way is hibernate does

2. Doctrine has flexible OQL(Object Query Language) called DQL

3. Much smaller memory footprint than with propel. Also Doctrine supports compiling of itself so that the whole framework can be compressed into one file, hence resulting in superb performance (minumum number of file opens)
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by yoyo » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:26 am

zYne wrote: Have you guys tried Doctrine? :)~ :-)~ :smile:


No i18n in doctrine.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by chtito » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:24 am

@yoyo: No i18n in propel either. :)~ :-)~ :smile: It's a symfony addition.

@Zyne: if you reread the poll i'm sure you'll agree that most of the entries above put propel in the downside. Another thing that you must be aware of is that doctrine cannot be currently used with symfony because you'd lose many symfony functionalities. (yoyo named one but there are many others...)

When the plugin sfDoctrine is ready people will be able to switch to doctrine. Until then, doctrine is virtually of no use for the symfony community.

Lastly, i think that this discussion should be moved to another thread...
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by marckohlbrugge » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:28 pm

Nationality: Dutch
Age: 18
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Student, freelancer webdeveloper&graphic designer

What’s the size of your company?
I work on my own.

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
I'm not in a company.

How did you get to know symfony?
Other, Digg.com.. they linked to the Search part of the Askeet tutorial

Since when?
Less than a year I think. Probably about 5 months.

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 documentation
2 development seems pretty solid
3 based on something i already knew (mojavi)
- :
1 no 1.0 release yet
2 not a lot of symfony powered open source projects
3 complexity

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC
2. DAO integration (Propel)
3. lot of configuration options (yml, xml, etc)

Which other framework do you use?
I've used CakePHP in the past but it lacked documentation.

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Ruby on Rails (haven't used it alot, but developent, community, etc is great)
2. Symfony
3. CakePHP

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes, can't afford to buy software. Not sure what I would do if I could afford it.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Free
2. Community of developers, not only users
3. The future, open source projects will never stop beeing developed (other people can continue on it)

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Social Web2.0-like projects

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Other, I would like to see a 1.0 release with all the documentation updated. After that I'd like to see some symfony powered open source projects.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Bigger community, more symfony powered open source projects.

Thanks for your time
No, thank you :)~ :-)~ :smile:
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by COil » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:28 pm

chtito wrote: @yoyo: No i18n in propel either. :)~ :-)~ :smile: It's a symfony addition.
@Zyne: if you reread the poll i'm sure you'll agree that most of the entries above put propel in the downside.


+1, i must admit i have not yet explored Propel in full depth but it seems there are problems with complex queries as i mention in my poll.


chtito wrote:
When the plugin sfDoctrine is ready people will be able to switch to doctrine. Until then, doctrine is virtually of no use for the symfony community.
Lastly, i think that this discussion should be moved to another thread...


Obviously, it would be really great to have an alternative to Propel for sf. Yes let's swith to another post...
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by tomz » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:46 am

Nationality: French
Age: 31
Sex: M
Professional activity: Web Application Developer / Consultant

What’s the size of your company?
Freelance

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Search for good framework

Since when?
May 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. very complete
2. documentation
3. active community
- :
1. Propel limits
2. Learning curve
3.

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC
2. Plugins
3. I18n

Which other framework do you use?
Tried them all

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Rails
3. Home made ...

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Cost and community support

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Community Support
2. Cost
3. perenniality

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
CMS, kind of tiny ERP, Quality tools, workflow, ...

What would you like to see develop around symfony
French community for more business around this technology

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Everything you want ...
Optimize speed
Always more docs, tutorials
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by adrive » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:59 am

Nationality: Slovak
Age: 23
Sex: M
Professional activity: web developer

What’s the size of your company?
Between 50 and 500

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Announcement in Mojavi forum

Since when?
Since announcement (october 2005?)

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. Admin generator
2. i18n
3. Documentation
- :
1. Propel
2. Speed
3.

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Admin generator
2. Ajax
3. i18n

Which other framework do you use?
Django (i tried also many others...)

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Django
2. Symfony
3. I am not using others

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Mainly

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Flexibility
2. A lot of documentation and community support
3. Cost

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Inter/Intra net applications for environmental specialists.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Other, better performance, and break limitations of Propel

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
A lot of plugins for basic tasks, a lot of users (also there is a lack of Girls ;)~ ;-)~ :wink: ), and documentation, tutorials and so on...
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by halfer » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:03 am

Nationality: British, Age: 28, Sex: M
Professional activity: Web application developer

What’s the size of your company? More than 500 employees

What is your interest for symfony, personal or professional? Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company? Yes

How did you get to know symfony? Search engine, Symfony Website

Since when? Feb 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Oracle support (was missing or incomplete in several that I evaluated)
2 Based on technologies (PHP) that are easy to hire for
3 Excellent documentation
- :
1 Speed of propel
2 Complexity of constructing propel queries
3 Project contributions not yet achieved critical mass

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Extensibility of admin generator
2. Ease of amending/rebuilding data model
3. Built-in debugging window

Which other framework do you use?
None, will evaluate Rails soon I imagine.

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
No project experience with other frameworks, but presentation of Seagull and Code Igniter is good.

Do you only use Open Source? No.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. No costs to sign off
2. General helpfulness of the community
3. No onerous licensing terms

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Complex database-driven systems with low number of concurrent users. Current project is on supply chain integration.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Documentation for hidden features, like filters (yes, they're featured in the Askeet material, but they deserve their own manual page). More complete class explanations in the API section. Split pages into more pieces, I think they're too long. Improve the search facility, and integrate the forum more tightly. Single login for the whole site.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
<ul><li>The database engine speed must be improved massively. Introduction of Doctrine will be interesting, especially if there are ways to simplify the conversion from Propel.

<li>A web-based wizard built in to the product would be excellent for first time users, it would assess their system and report the tweaks they need to make to get it working (this could accelerate the take-up of symfony: getting started has quite a high learning curve at present).

<li>Integration of jQuery, Dojo and other popular JS frameworks.

<li>Sub-actions, based on regexps, that separate out individual submit buttons to specially named methods (either in actions.class.php or in a separate action file).

<li>Simple CMS and file management plugin, perhaps using inline HTML editor?</ul>
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by snk00sj » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:13 am

Nationality: Belgium
Age: 25
Sex: Male
Professional activity: IT Consultant

What’s the size of your company?
Less than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite

Since when?
About 1year ago

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 : rapid development
2 : nice & clean code
3 : good community
- :
1 : installation issues when using multiple projects with different versions
2 : propel performance
3 : high learning curve for new employees

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1 : caching
2 : i18n
3 : admin generator

Which other framework do you use?

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Mojavi
2. Struts
3.

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?

No, i use both

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Costs
2. Open source code :)~ :-)~ :smile:
3. Community

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?

Corporate websites, intranets, extranets

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More Training

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Alot of nice plugins, a better, nicer forum (looks old :)~ :-)~ :smile: )

Anyhow, keep up the good work, you're doing perfect !
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by nautilebleu » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:36 am

Nationality: French,
Age: 31,
Sex: M
Professional activity: Web developper

What’s the size of your company? Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony, personal or professional? Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company? Yes

How did you get to know symfony? Journal du Net

Since when? May 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1/ Simple as ROR but more flexible thanks to better YML use
2/ Internationalization
3/ Excellent documentation (excepting propel, but it's not symfony team responsability)
- :
1/ Use PHP with awful syntaxe (very poor language vs Ruby or Python)
2/ propel (speed, user documentation)
3/ Project contributions not yet achieved critical mass

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities:
1/ Internationalization and validation
2/ Ease of amending/rebuilding data model
3/ Built-in debugging window

Which other framework do you use?
None, but I had evaluate Rails and Django

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards:
1/ Symfony
2/ Django
3/ RoR

Do you only use Open Source? Yes

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Standards support
2. General helpfulness of the community
3. No costs to sign off

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
E-learning with authentication, shopping card, XML...

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Developping the community, for better support.
A library of plugins to handle common features.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
1/ Better ORM (enhance Propel or use another ORM if it's impossible)
2/ A 1.0 release with all the documentation updated.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by cblin » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:51 pm

Nationality: french
Age: not important
Sex: male
Professional activity: PHP/Java developper

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Other: we did a survey of the PHP frameworks

Since when?
july 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1: real MVC (i.e not tight coupling between M and V so yu can change Propel if you want to)
2 : conventions & configurations (in some frameworks, this is a OR)
3 : good docs & reactive forums
- :
1 : a lot of vocabulary to acquire (tempalte, helper, lmayout, partial, query, criteria, ...) and no glossary
2 : propel ;)~ ;-)~ :wink:
3 : /

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC directory by modules
2. i18n
3. flexibility

Which other framework do you use?
None

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Zend
3. RoR

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes
Because it is cheap and you have control all over the tools

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. security
2. cost
3. community

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
enterprise application around Environment and Health & Safety, sustainable development

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Conferences

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
stable 1.0, enterprise recognition
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by peterVG » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:15 pm

Nationality: Canadian
Age: 35
Sex: Male
Professional activity: digital archives and archives software consultant

What’s the size of your company?
Less than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite

Since when?
March 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :

1. Documentation
2. i18n
3. ubiquity of PHP (ease of deployment/adoption, availability of additional developers)
- :
1. many-to-many & hierarchical relation support not available as standard data model methods in current stable version (i.e. as generic methods available to all custom modules at the model level)
2. Propel speed (I actually like Propel, just wish it could be better optimized)
3. project->app hierarchy is redundant for most projects

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Debugging interface
2. Database agnostic (via Creole)
3. user sessions/credentials/parameter holders

Which other framework do you use?
None, I only have eyes for symfony. :)~ :-)~ :smile:


Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards

1. Symfony
2. Django
3. Ruby on Rails

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
client/project requirement + business model

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. access to code/no lurking ownership issues
2. community support (technical and moral)
3. cost

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Archival collections content management

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Orderly development of official plugins (rather than the plugin chaos around platforms like Wordpress/Drupal where development effort gets forked/wasted/confused). This will require guidelines and leadership from core developers. The current Wiki page on proposed plugins is a good start.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?

1. vibrant community (increased adoption, enhancement of core, availability of plugins)

2. the "professional web tools for lazy folks" tagline is replaced with something more credible. I am embarrased to have clients and others interested in my project read this tagline. The assumption is that (a)I am lazy because I use Symfony (b)Symfony is not high quality because it is developed/used by people who admit to being lazy.

Sure its clever and cute for those close to the project but I think this tagline is having a negative effect for the image of Symfony as a whole.

3. Fabien and Francois have a long, healthy life. Thank you for your hard work and generosity.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by francois » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:45 pm

to peterVG: I'm not sure that symfony is compatible with a long and healthy life. Rather see it as fast paced, thrilling, full of surprises, but this is not good for the heart. :)~ :-)~ :smile:
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by im_simpleboy » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:44 am

Nationality: Nepalese
Age: 23
Sex: Male
Professional activity: web designing, computer consultant

What’s the size of your company?
for web designing I work on my own

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
yes but to my own project

How did you get to know symfony?
one article which said future php frameworks to look for (sorry i forgot the actual link)

Since when?
back in three months

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. AJAX
2. I18N support
3. Admin Generator
(not to forget the great support provided in this forum)
- :
1. complexity of Propel queries and its speed
2. Documents don't show the real possibilities of symfony
3. version 1 is not out yet :(~ :-(~ :sad:

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC architecture
2. caching
3. admin generator

Which other framework do you use?
My first framework is symfony and obviously will also be the last one


Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
Only looked for symfony but as many people are talking lot of Rails I will give a try (but only try)

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
most of the time. Open Source doesn't cost anything. It has great community support and the source is open so we can learn more by hacking, add new features, make plugins easily and mostly I don't want people calling me YOU PIRATE!

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. cost
2. large community support, help is available anytime
3. flexibility and extensibility

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
till date general one but soon i'm planning to do a web based software (a financial software where more than 50 people will work at a time, more or less a banking software)

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation, more tutorials, some symfony based powerful projects (which should be useful, I think snippets project is useless, we easily can build a similar project easily now!), more screencasts, integration of dojo and other js framework

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
hoping it will go a long way like Linux did and francois and fabien will not leave us in middle. hoping to get stable version 1 soon.

May good people like you two live longer! We will always appreciate your generousity!
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by Renato Aquino » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:24 pm

Nationality: Brazilian
Age: 27
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Web Developer

What’s the size of your company?
More than 500 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Google Search for PHP Frameworks

Since when?
4 Months ago

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 - MVC Structure
2 - Flexible file and lib structure
3 - Cache strategy (Partial, Componente, Page, etc)
- :
1 - No namespace for databases
2 - Speed (Propel Issues)
3 - Learn Curve

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Patterns on the MVC
2. Generators (even relaying to the command line)
3. Cache
4. Autoloading :?~ :-?~ :???:

Which other framework do you use?
tried phpMVC and CakePHP.

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Struts
3. Rails

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
it matches my necessities, cost, etc


Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Community Support
2. Cost
3. Continuous code evolution

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Content Management

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation / Official Plugins

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?

You'r doing a great job with Symfony, keep then going on.
I'm just wating for speed improvements.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by cyrille » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:02 pm

Nationality: French
Age: 29
Sex: male
Professional activity: web developper

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
No

How did you get to know symfony?
Community

Since when?
2 months
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Internationalization
2 Cache for module
3 Documentation
- :
1 Learning curve
2 Learning curve
3 Learning curve (and maybe propel ;)~ ;-)~ :wink: )

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. flexibility due to configuration files, components slots...
2.
3.

Which other framework do you use?
i use my own framework in my compagny (but Symfony is definitely more powerful ;)~ ;-)~ :wink: )

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards


Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
No
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Sources are open :P
2. community
3.

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
web 2.0 :oops:
What would you like to see develop around symfony


What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
community continue to grow
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by m.wrobel » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:14 am

Nationality: Polish
Age: 28
Sex: M
Professional activity: freelance web developer

What’s the size of your company?
Less than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Community (if i remember well symfony was mentioned at #agavi)

Since when?
Half year

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. documentation
2. open, modular and well designed structure
3. fast progress
- :
1. lack of mature, propel independent doctrine support
2. symfony too heavy relies on propel (which is heavy and slow)
3. lack of other view implementations (phpTAL)

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. plugin system
2. multilevel, yml, cached configuration
3. ajax helpers

Which other framework do you use?
agavi

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. symfony
2. agavi
3. RoR

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes, see below

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. community
2. possibility to join/help project
3. costs

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
intranet applications

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Tutorials, screencasts, book

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
* database layer refactorisation (to better support doctrine and maybe other ORM frameworks)
* phpTALView
* full, stable caching

Thanks
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by Styles722 » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:54 am

Nationality: American
Age: 25
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Web Application Developer

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Other - I heard about symfony during one of php architect's php podcasts where a symfony representative was part of a framework roundtable at a conference.

Since when?
About 4 months

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
So many upsides....
1. Symfony let's me code the _application_ and for the most part, I don't have to worry about php/programming nuances

2. "Building the Model" -- the less I have to think about the database the better.

3. The passion of the core developers. I find that they LOVE web application development which is inspiring to me and my team.

- :
1. PROPEL (How can I run a multi-server, multi-million user site with Propel???) It's not realistically possible IMO.
2. Needs better Doctrine support (including i18n)
3. Database *migrations* (change something in the dev database and it also changes in staging database)

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
So many....
1. All the wonderful pake tasks (thank you!!!)
2. Admin generator
3. Ease of use overall!! (Let's me focus on my vision/application)

Which other framework do you use?

I was thoroughly following ZF before finding SF. Now I only follow SF.

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. SF
2. ZF
3. n/a

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?

Yes. I have an inherent idealism about me and I believe in free software at my core.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Good people
2. Inexpensive software
3. Community / friend support

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?

Non-profit, commercial, personal.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation - More documentation = always better. Especially the SF docs because they are so CLEAR and WELL WRITTEN.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?

I hope that symfony continues to be on the cutting edge of web application development. This includes more AJAX, more Docs, more unit testing functionality, better media storage options, etc...

You are doing a GREAT JOB!!!
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by redd » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:28 am

We'd like to get a better understanding of the symfony community.
Would you mind spending a few minutes to answer these questions?
It will help us to see where our efforts should focus first.

Nationality: Canadian
Age: old
Sex: M
Professional activity: IT / web development

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?
Mostly professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Community

Since when?
~2 weeks ago.

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Uses PHP (faster than Ruby, compilable)
2 Excellent documentation compared to other PHP frameworks
3 Solid routing system
- :
1 Uses PHP (not as slick a language as Ruby)
2 Documentation not as good as that for RoR
3 Maybe there's a better model than Propel?

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
somewhat random, but...
1. routing
2. i18n
3. caching

Which other framework do you use?
none, at the moment

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Rails
2. symfony
3. umm... smarty?

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Almost. Flexibility, source access, community viability

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. flexibility
2. souce access
3. community viability

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
vertical market app, with different faces for different user communities

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation, support & training

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Integration with jquery, something other than Propel
More users
Good health and happiness for everyone!
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by yoyo » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:09 am

Nationality:
Polish

Age:
27

Sex:
male

Professional activity:
graphics designer and webdeveloper

What’s the size of your company?:
1

What is your interest for symfony?:
both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?:
yes :)~ :-)~ :smile:

How did you get to know symfony?:
SymfonyWebsite (by google)

Since when?:
January 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?:

upside:
<ol type="1">
<li>I18n (mainly model implementation)
<li>Documentation & Community (including forum, snipeet, wiki & book)
<li>Extensibility (plugins, user&session class extending, cascade configuration)
</ol>
downside:
<ol type="1">
<li>Propel speed (thousands lines of code and several tens of files included on every request)
<li>Not so flexible control over clearing cache.
<li>Learning curve (it's hard to get it without forum & community)
</ol>
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
<ol type="1">
<li>I18n on model level
<li>Compiled configuration & bootstrapping
<li>Environments
</ol>
Which other framework do you use?
Right now only Symfony. But previously I was trying mojavi, phpCake & solar

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
<ol type="1">
<li>Symfony
<li> :?~ :-?~ :???:
<li> :?~ :-?~ :???:
</ol>
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Besides Photoshop and Windows - yes.

Why opensource? Because of open source :)~ :-)~ :smile:
And ability to learn how things are made inside.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
<ol type="1">
<li>Open source :)~ :-)~ :smile:
<li>Community
<li>Costs
</ol>

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?

Professional and basic CMS.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
<ul>
<li> More training
<li> More support
</ul>

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
<ul>
<li>Speed = native Doctrine support (with i18n)
<li>Integration with jQuery
<li>Stable 1.0 relase
<li>Spread the world :)~ :-)~ :smile:
</ul>
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by giorg » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:14 am

Nationality: Italy
Age: 33
Sex: M
Professional activity: Senior Web developer (in Germany)

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
http://www.personal-invoice-manager.net/Ciccio :D~ :-D~ :grin:

Since when?
6 months

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 I18N
2 Admin Generator
3 Fast learning curve
-:
honestly don't see any!

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. admin gen
2. helpers
3. db mgm

Which other framework do you use?
None at this moment, symfony is enough

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. FastFrame
3. -

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
yes, because it is open :)~ :-)~ :smile:

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. community
2. chance to get in
3. usually "standards conform"

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
intranet applications

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Everything is welcome!

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
That becomes number 1 of RAD!! I might also be interested in helping with develop
/Andrea
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by Cipher » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:48 am

francois wrote: We'd like to get a better understanding of the symfony community.
Would you mind spending a few minutes to answer these questions?
It will help us to see where our efforts should focus first.

Nationality: Taiwan
Age: 34
Sex: Male
Professional activity:

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Community

Since when?
2006/August

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Quickly to finish a project,especialy in commercial field.
2 Code Structure is very clear.
3 Flexible to develop and maintain.
- :
1 Hard to learn before first time to use.
2 Must learn YAML.
3 Structure is pretty large...

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
none

Which other framework do you use?
none
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards

I can't answer the question, cause ...I am still learning symfony with sandbox.

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes, cause Open source can bring many benefits to my company and customers.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. The cost is more cheaper then the others.
2. Open source product's life is longer then the others.
3. It's more flexible to develop programes. If we use MS, we can't do any thing if we meet bug or troubles.

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Web CMS.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation / More Support / More Training / Other
All of these.
I'm waiting francois's book announce as soon as possible on Amazon.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Become a company, just like Zend. Then you can provide professional services for PHP developers or companys.

Thanks for your time :P
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by davedash » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:58 pm

Nationality: US
Age: 27
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Sr. Web Developer/Ninja

What’s the size of your company?
Less than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes (and my previous employer)

How did you get to know symfony?
http://www.digg.com/programming/HOW-TO:_digg-like_AJAX_inter actions


Since when?
Hmm... Day 8 of the Tutorial, Dec 8 2005 :)~ :-)~ :smile:

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ : (haven't used other frameworks because of 1)
1 Detailed tutorials/documentation
2 Best practices: DRY, etc.
3 PHP
- :
1 Propel inflexibility
2 Speed
3 Module organization

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. rsync/synchronization
2. helpers: javascript and others
3. autoloading

Which other framework do you use?
None

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. symfony (because I know it the best)
2. ruby_on_rails (because I like their screencasts)
3. zend framework (because you can take bits and pieces of it)

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?

Primarily, but not always. I like the community support and the ability to make my own contributions rather than waiting for future releases.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Community Support
2. Ability to contribute
3. Price

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?

Social Networking sites.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More tutorials, Developers Network

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
* I hope people realize that this is a viable framework so it can continually sustain a sizable number of users/developers.
* More high-profile sites.
* Integrating best features of competing frameworks
* Support for complicated SQL queries.
http://reviewsby.us/ - Rate what you just ate.
http://spindrop.us/ - Open Source web consultant
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by marckohlbrugge » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:11 pm

Wow, even ninjas use Symfony 8-)
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by Sylvio » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:33 pm

Nationality: French
Age: 27
Sex: M
Professional activity: Web Developper

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Community (forum webmaster hub) / Magazine

Since when? 6 Months

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Rigour, Flexible, Adaptable, For any kind of web project, PHP5 Best Practice
2 New technlogy (php5, pear) & new concept (RoR-like,command line)
3 Framework tools : RAD, ORM, CRUD, MVC ...
- :
1 Not a lot of things...
2 Admin Generator not enough flexible and customizable, Need a big cms/cmf plugin independant from core
3 Break BC

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC
2. ORM
3. Magic things (for RAD)

Which other framework do you use?
- I try Seagull for some months but it is going to specialise and become a CMF (Content Managment Framework)

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Seagull
3. CakePHP (not tested but heard about it)

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Definitely, because of community, source availability, market leader in php5, evolutivity, price, ...

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Community and collaborativ advantages (Wiki/Doc, Bug/Patchs resolving, discuss, ...)
2. Source-code
3. Open-source projects are the leader and the best on the "market", Innovation

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
- Institutionnal dynamic website with cms features
- E-commerce website
- Intranet (only our own intranet)

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Symfony Book
Roadmaps

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Version 1.0 stable with new plugins managment
Sylvain - Web Developper
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by kuckuck » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:13 pm

Nationality: Swiss
Age: 21
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Head of Development, Projectmanagement


What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50


What is your interest for symfony?
Both


Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes


How did you get to know symfony?
Professional


Since when?
August 2006


In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Transparend, Flexible, Structured, it's great :)~ :-)~ :smile:
2 Great MVC implementation
3 Documentation
- :
1 So many files, folders, configurations... (it's ok, but it needs some time to get used to it)
2 Documentation of I18N lacks (Collecting Phrases, Different sources -> not well documented)
3 No Template engine (need something with markers)


Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. DB Abstraction -> sheme.yml and propel-build-* rocks
2. :Module/:Action concept
3. validation


Which other framework do you use?
TYPO3 Extension Framework, ZendFramework (replaced by symfony), Selfmade company internal (replaced by symfony)


Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Prado
3. Ours


Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes, we use only open source.
Our salery gets paid by the work/development we sell to our customers, if the licence costs to much, we can sell less work. We hate it to tell a customer "it isn't possible", there is no way we would use/sell a product which we couldn't modify...


Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. No licence costs
2. No artificial boundarys
3. Flexible


What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Applications which fits the individual needs of our customers:

Contract management, Project management...
For the webpages we use a real CMS, the one and only good Open Source CMS: TYPO3
Symfony is for applications and not to develop content oriented webpages...


What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation


What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
To become the best php framework one can imagine. A framework which gives you the feeling you get, when you enjoy your coffee, reading your newspaper, realaxing in the middle of a beautyfull city like Paris... The feeling that there are still beautyfull things on the planet, which are reliable :)~ :-)~ :smile:
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by amitrana » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:21 pm

Nationality: Indian
Age: 29
Sex: M
Professional activity: Lead Programmer

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Web - while searching for frameworkds

Since when?
4 months

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. Simplicity
2. Flexibility
3. I18N, templating, documentation, great community.
- :
1. Speed
2. Speed
3. Speed

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Helpers
2. configuration options
3. AJAX

Which other framework do you use?
Struts, RCP (if it can be called a framework)

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1.
2.
3.

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Cost
2. Community and support
3. Almost always very stable and fast development.

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
e-commerce

What would you like to see develop around symfony
Better speed.

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
That it wont die because people start moving to Zend framework, improvement in speed.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by hausburger » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:23 pm

We'd like to get a better understanding of the symfony community.
Would you mind spending a few minutes to answer these questions?
It will help us to see where our efforts should focus first.

Nationality: German
Age: 27
Sex: male
Professional activity:
webdev (30% server side / 70% front) + online marketing

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Community

Since when?
since 12/2005 (follow the buzz)
since 09/2006 (start to develop)


In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Documentation / Community
2 Readable Code
3 ...
- :
1 no 1.0 release yet
2 Learning curve
3

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC
2. Caching
3. i18n

Which other framework do you use?
Selfmade


Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
mostly.
because it's OPEN source.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. easer to understand the software, when can read it
2. costs
3. comunity

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
webapps: ecommerce related

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More Training

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
# long life.
# Integration with jQuery
# Stable 1.0 relase
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by pminnieur » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:39 pm

Nationality: german
Age: 22
Sex: male
Professional activity: web application developer

What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite / Community / Professional / Magazine

Since when?
Early 2006

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 You can set-up a new environment and scale it to fit your needs very fast.
2 Symfony has so many features that I don't have to look on or for external vendor sources to do something. I can find any documentation centralised at the symfony websites, solutions in the very high frequented forum and patches in the Trac repository, so getting results and help is very easy.
3 Built-in Config, User/Security, Routing, Cache, I18N and Forms (Fillin, Validation) integration
- :
1 No built-in basic search functionalities (sfSearch(Lucene) e.g. Zend_Search_Lucene)
2 It's really hard to built complex forms and listings (multiple pages [wizard]) with filters and sorting (except for the admin generator, but it won't fit your needs always, and many times forms and listings will get too complex for the admin generator)
3 Starting developing with symfony and to understand what you do (and how you could do things) from zero is very hard.

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC pattern
2. Clean API
3. Admin Generator

Which other framework do you use?
Zend Framework (Zend_Search_Lucene, Zend_Service_Amazon), eZ components (ezcPhpGenerator)

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. eZ components
3. Zend Framework

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Because I don't have the money to buy expensive tools which won't fit my needs.

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. No costs at all
2. Naturally well documented and customisable
3. Open development processes where I can integrate my needs

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
My personal websites and a huge online gaming magazine - the magazine will go online in March, 2007

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation, More Support, More Examples

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
I don't really know, because everything what's planned for the next symfony releases is very good and will fit my needs. I'm currently developing under 0.9-alpha and this version rocks.
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by halfer » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:49 pm

Not sure if open source projects are naturally well documented - many of them come with none at all! Thankfully however symfony is different in this regard as the documentation is excellent (and can only get better).

Whilst we are collating hopes for symfony, I have remembered another one - my templates and partials are starting to become quite disorganised in my module template directories. Any chance that we might be able to sub-folder these, eg:

<span name="php"><code><span style="color: #000000">
<span style="color: #0000BB"><?php include_component</span><span style="color: #007700">(</span><span style="color: #DD0000">'news'</span><span style="color: #007700">, </span><span style="color: #DD0000">'daily/headlines'</span><span style="color: #007700">); </span><span style="color: #0000BB">?></span>
</span>
</code></span>

which would look in module/templates/daily/_headlines.php, rather than module/templates/_headlines.php. I expect partials might work in much the same way, specified by module/folder/name.php.

Just a thought :)~ :-)~ :smile:
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by domluc » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:07 pm

Nationality: Brazil
Age: 21
Sex: M
Professional activity: PHP Developer

What’s the size of your company?
Between 50 and 500

What is your interest for symfony?
Professional

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
Other Site ( brunotorres.net) with a little cite

Since when? Out/2005

In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Shell Creates
2 MVC Implementation
3 Integration of Better Techniques and Fw ( like Propel and Scriptaculos)
- :
1 Learn Curve
2 Install
3

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Shell Creating
2. MVC
3. Abstration Layer

Which other framework do you use?
CakePHP, and Rails, Zend

Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Rails
3. Zend

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
no, but more part.
personally, i pref open source, but for profissional reasons i use one or more proprietary software

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Open Source
2. Cost
3. Hard participation on Roadmap decisions

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Management System for Delivary and WebSites.

What would you like to see develop around symfony
- More documentation
- Oficial Plugins

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
More Stable, more Usefull,
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Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for?

by deresh » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:02 pm

Nationality: Croatian
Age: 30
Sex: M
Professional activity: sr. web developer / project manager

What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50

What is your interest for symfony?
Both

Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes

How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite / Google / Sitepoint forum

Since when?
Spring 2006
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 i18n
2 MVC
3 Generators ( admin, crud )
- :
1 Speed
2 Better ORM ( maybe Propel 2.0 will do better)
3 Cleaner templating

Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Admin generators
2. i18n
3. plugins

Which other framework do you use?
none / my custom ones


Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Zend
3. Spring

Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Community / my influence in projects

Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Low cost
2. Community
3. Anti M$ / proprietary software

What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
all kind from small web sites to large portals

What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation / More Support

What are your hopes for the future of symfony?

Continued development, better i18n ( crud ), cleaner templating
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