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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12638 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Sat, 23 September 2006 20:15   |
 donharold
Messages: 99
Registered: May 2006 |
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Nationality: German
Age: 31
Sex: male
Professional activity: Freelance Designer/Developer
What’s the size of your company?
1
What is your interest for symfony?
Both
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Propel mailing list (was using Propel before)
Since when?
Known about since ~0.4
Played with since ~0.6
One project in production since 2 months
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
(to little experience with other frameworks to give a good answer)
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Generators
2. Propel
3. Cache
Which other framework do you use?
Struts and my own PHP framwork
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
(to little experience with other frameworks to give a good answer)
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
For web development, yes. Reasons see below.
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Security
2. Stability
3. Support
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Developed one intranet and one community site so far.
What would you like to see develop around symfony
I thinks features are overall sufficient. IMO, most more specific addons often need to be customized anyway, so I'd rather like to see development effort go into stability, performance, and convenience than into additional features.
One feature that will become important over time is the ability to use different versions of symfony and plugins on one server.
Support is very good overall, but IMO suffers from the separation into the forum and the ML. Things either get duplicated or reach only a part of the potential audience.
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
If you can keep up the level of development progress, documentation, and support, there's nothing left to hope for 
// edit: I also hope Propel stays in, reading all the negative reaction above I really think it's the best PHP ORM around.
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12652 is a reply to message #12641 ] |
Sun, 24 September 2006 01:26 |
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| zYne wrote on Sat, 23 September 2006 20:36 |
Have you guys tried Doctrine?
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No i18n in doctrine.
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12676 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Sun, 24 September 2006 19:28 |
marckohlbrugge
Messages: 164
Registered: January 2006 |
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Nationality: Dutch
Age: 18
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Student, freelancer webdeveloper&graphic designer
What’s the size of your company?
I work on my own.
What is your interest for symfony?
Both
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
I'm not in a company.
How did you get to know symfony?
Other, Digg.com.. they linked to the Search part of the Askeet tutorial
Since when?
Less than a year I think. Probably about 5 months.
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 documentation
2 development seems pretty solid
3 based on something i already knew (mojavi)
- :
1 no 1.0 release yet
2 not a lot of symfony powered open source projects
3 complexity
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC
2. DAO integration (Propel)
3. lot of configuration options (yml, xml, etc)
Which other framework do you use?
I've used CakePHP in the past but it lacked documentation.
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Ruby on Rails (haven't used it alot, but developent, community, etc is great)
2. Symfony
3. CakePHP
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes, can't afford to buy software. Not sure what I would do if I could afford it.
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Free
2. Community of developers, not only users
3. The future, open source projects will never stop beeing developed (other people can continue on it)
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Social Web2.0-like projects
What would you like to see develop around symfony
Other, I would like to see a 1.0 release with all the documentation updated. After that I'd like to see some symfony powered open source projects.
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Bigger community, more symfony powered open source projects.
Thanks for your time
No, thank you
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12699 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Mon, 25 September 2006 11:03 |
halfer
Messages: 9514
Registered: January 2006
Location: West Midlands, UK |
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Nationality: British, Age: 28, Sex: M
Professional activity: Web application developer
What’s the size of your company? More than 500 employees
What is your interest for symfony, personal or professional? Both
Did you introduce symfony into your company? Yes
How did you get to know symfony? Search engine, Symfony Website
Since when? Feb 2006
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Oracle support (was missing or incomplete in several that I evaluated)
2 Based on technologies (PHP) that are easy to hire for
3 Excellent documentation
- :
1 Speed of propel
2 Complexity of constructing propel queries
3 Project contributions not yet achieved critical mass
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Extensibility of admin generator
2. Ease of amending/rebuilding data model
3. Built-in debugging window
Which other framework do you use?
None, will evaluate Rails soon I imagine.
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
No project experience with other frameworks, but presentation of Seagull and Code Igniter is good.
Do you only use Open Source? No.
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. No costs to sign off
2. General helpfulness of the community
3. No onerous licensing terms
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Complex database-driven systems with low number of concurrent users. Current project is on supply chain integration.
What would you like to see develop around symfony
Documentation for hidden features, like filters (yes, they're featured in the Askeet material, but they deserve their own manual page). More complete class explanations in the API section. Split pages into more pieces, I think they're too long. Improve the search facility, and integrate the forum more tightly. Single login for the whole site.
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
- The database engine speed must be improved massively. Introduction of Doctrine will be interesting, especially if there are ways to simplify the conversion from Propel.
- A web-based wizard built in to the product would be excellent for first time users, it would assess their system and report the tweaks they need to make to get it working (this could accelerate the take-up of symfony: getting started has quite a high learning curve at present).
- Integration of jQuery, Dojo and other popular JS frameworks.
- Sub-actions, based on regexps, that separate out individual submit buttons to specially named methods (either in actions.class.php or in a separate action file).
- Simple CMS and file management plugin, perhaps using inline HTML editor?
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12702 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Mon, 25 September 2006 11:36 |
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Nationality: French,
Age: 31,
Sex: M
Professional activity: Web developper
What’s the size of your company? Between 10 and 50
What is your interest for symfony, personal or professional? Professional
Did you introduce symfony into your company? Yes
How did you get to know symfony? Journal du Net
Since when? May 2006
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1/ Simple as ROR but more flexible thanks to better YML use
2/ Internationalization
3/ Excellent documentation (excepting propel, but it's not symfony team responsability)
- :
1/ Use PHP with awful syntaxe (very poor language vs Ruby or Python)
2/ propel (speed, user documentation)
3/ Project contributions not yet achieved critical mass
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities:
1/ Internationalization and validation
2/ Ease of amending/rebuilding data model
3/ Built-in debugging window
Which other framework do you use?
None, but I had evaluate Rails and Django
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards:
1/ Symfony
2/ Django
3/ RoR
Do you only use Open Source? Yes
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Standards support
2. General helpfulness of the community
3. No costs to sign off
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
E-learning with authentication, shopping card, XML...
What would you like to see develop around symfony
Developping the community, for better support.
A library of plugins to handle common features.
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
1/ Better ORM (enhance Propel or use another ORM if it's impossible)
2/ A 1.0 release with all the documentation updated.
all about me
t-shirts
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12708 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Mon, 25 September 2006 14:51 |
cblin
Messages: 265
Registered: July 2006 |
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Nationality: french
Age: not important
Sex: male
Professional activity: PHP/Java developper
What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50
What is your interest for symfony?
Professional
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Other: we did a survey of the PHP frameworks
Since when?
july 2006
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1: real MVC (i.e not tight coupling between M and V so yu can change Propel if you want to)
2 : conventions & configurations (in some frameworks, this is a OR)
3 : good docs & reactive forums
- :
1 : a lot of vocabulary to acquire (tempalte, helper, lmayout, partial, query, criteria, ...) and no glossary
2 : propel 
3 : /
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC directory by modules
2. i18n
3. flexibility
Which other framework do you use?
None
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Zend
3. RoR
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes
Because it is cheap and you have control all over the tools
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. security
2. cost
3. community
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
enterprise application around Environment and Health & Safety, sustainable development
What would you like to see develop around symfony
Conferences
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
stable 1.0, enterprise recognition
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12763 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Tue, 26 September 2006 10:44 |
im_simpleboy
Messages: 88
Registered: June 2006
Location: Nepal |
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Nationality: Nepalese
Age: 23
Sex: Male
Professional activity: web designing, computer consultant
What’s the size of your company?
for web designing I work on my own
What is your interest for symfony?
Professional
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
yes but to my own project
How did you get to know symfony?
one article which said future php frameworks to look for (sorry i forgot the actual link)
Since when?
back in three months
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. AJAX
2. I18N support
3. Admin Generator
(not to forget the great support provided in this forum)
- :
1. complexity of Propel queries and its speed
2. Documents don't show the real possibilities of symfony
3. version 1 is not out yet 
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC architecture
2. caching
3. admin generator
Which other framework do you use?
My first framework is symfony and obviously will also be the last one
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
Only looked for symfony but as many people are talking lot of Rails I will give a try (but only try)
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
most of the time. Open Source doesn't cost anything. It has great community support and the source is open so we can learn more by hacking, add new features, make plugins easily and mostly I don't want people calling me YOU PIRATE!
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. cost
2. large community support, help is available anytime
3. flexibility and extensibility
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
till date general one but soon i'm planning to do a web based software (a financial software where more than 50 people will work at a time, more or less a banking software)
What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation, more tutorials, some symfony based powerful projects (which should be useful, I think snippets project is useless, we easily can build a similar project easily now!), more screencasts, integration of dojo and other js framework
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
hoping it will go a long way like Linux did and francois and fabien will not leave us in middle. hoping to get stable version 1 soon.
May good people like you two live longer! We will always appreciate your generousity!
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12779 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Tue, 26 September 2006 15:24 |
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Nationality: Brazilian
Age: 27
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Web Developer
What’s the size of your company?
More than 500 employees
What is your interest for symfony?
Both
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Google Search for PHP Frameworks
Since when?
4 Months ago
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 - MVC Structure
2 - Flexible file and lib structure
3 - Cache strategy (Partial, Componente, Page, etc)
- :
1 - No namespace for databases
2 - Speed (Propel Issues)
3 - Learn Curve
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. Patterns on the MVC
2. Generators (even relaying to the command line)
3. Cache
4. Autoloading 
Which other framework do you use?
tried phpMVC and CakePHP.
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Struts
3. Rails
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
it matches my necessities, cost, etc
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Community Support
2. Cost
3. Continuous code evolution
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Content Management
What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation / Official Plugins
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
You'r doing a great job with Symfony, keep then going on.
I'm just wating for speed improvements.
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12820 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Wed, 27 September 2006 03:14 |
m.wrobel
Messages: 10
Registered: January 2006 |
Junior Member |
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Nationality: Polish
Age: 28
Sex: M
Professional activity: freelance web developer
What’s the size of your company?
Less than 10 employees
What is your interest for symfony?
Both
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Community (if i remember well symfony was mentioned at #agavi)
Since when?
Half year
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1. documentation
2. open, modular and well designed structure
3. fast progress
- :
1. lack of mature, propel independent doctrine support
2. symfony too heavy relies on propel (which is heavy and slow)
3. lack of other view implementations (phpTAL)
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. plugin system
2. multilevel, yml, cached configuration
3. ajax helpers
Which other framework do you use?
agavi
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. symfony
2. agavi
3. RoR
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes, see below
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. community
2. possibility to join/help project
3. costs
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
intranet applications
What would you like to see develop around symfony
Tutorials, screencasts, book
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
* database layer refactorisation (to better support doctrine and maybe other ORM frameworks)
* phpTALView
* full, stable caching
Thanks
Mirosław Wróbel
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12821 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Wed, 27 September 2006 05:54 |
Styles722
Messages: 84
Registered: May 2006
Location: Miami, FL |
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Nationality: American
Age: 25
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Web Application Developer
What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees
What is your interest for symfony?
Professional
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Other - I heard about symfony during one of php architect's php podcasts where a symfony representative was part of a framework roundtable at a conference.
Since when?
About 4 months
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
So many upsides....
1. Symfony let's me code the _application_ and for the most part, I don't have to worry about php/programming nuances
2. "Building the Model" -- the less I have to think about the database the better.
3. The passion of the core developers. I find that they LOVE web application development which is inspiring to me and my team.
- :
1. PROPEL (How can I run a multi-server, multi-million user site with Propel???) It's not realistically possible IMO.
2. Needs better Doctrine support (including i18n)
3. Database *migrations* (change something in the dev database and it also changes in staging database)
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
So many....
1. All the wonderful pake tasks (thank you!!!)
2. Admin generator
3. Ease of use overall!! (Let's me focus on my vision/application)
Which other framework do you use?
I was thoroughly following ZF before finding SF. Now I only follow SF.
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. SF
2. ZF
3. n/a
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes. I have an inherent idealism about me and I believe in free software at my core.
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Good people
2. Inexpensive software
3. Community / friend support
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Non-profit, commercial, personal.
What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation - More documentation = always better. Especially the SF docs because they are so CLEAR and WELL WRITTEN.
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
I hope that symfony continues to be on the cutting edge of web application development. This includes more AJAX, more Docs, more unit testing functionality, better media storage options, etc...
You are doing a GREAT JOB!!!
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12848 is a reply to message #12844 ] |
Wed, 27 September 2006 13:33 |
Sylvio
Messages: 58
Registered: May 2006
Location: Avignon, France |
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Nationality: French
Age: 27
Sex: M
Professional activity: Web Developper
What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees
What is your interest for symfony?
Professional
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Community (forum webmaster hub) / Magazine
Since when? 6 Months
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Rigour, Flexible, Adaptable, For any kind of web project, PHP5 Best Practice
2 New technlogy (php5, pear) & new concept (RoR-like,command line)
3 Framework tools : RAD, ORM, CRUD, MVC ...
- :
1 Not a lot of things...
2 Admin Generator not enough flexible and customizable, Need a big cms/cmf plugin independant from core
3 Break BC
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC
2. ORM
3. Magic things (for RAD)
Which other framework do you use?
- I try Seagull for some months but it is going to specialise and become a CMF (Content Managment Framework)
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Seagull
3. CakePHP (not tested but heard about it)
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Definitely, because of community, source availability, market leader in php5, evolutivity, price, ...
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. Community and collaborativ advantages (Wiki/Doc, Bug/Patchs resolving, discuss, ...)
2. Source-code
3. Open-source projects are the leader and the best on the "market", Innovation
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
- Institutionnal dynamic website with cms features
- E-commerce website
- Intranet (only our own intranet)
What would you like to see develop around symfony
Symfony Book
Roadmaps
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
Version 1.0 stable with new plugins managment
Sylvain Papet - Web Developper
Com-Océan / www.com-ocean.com
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12852 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Wed, 27 September 2006 14:13 |
kuckuck
Messages: 21
Registered: September 2006 |
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Nationality: Swiss
Age: 21
Sex: Male
Professional activity: Head of Development, Projectmanagement
What’s the size of your company?
Between 10 and 50
What is your interest for symfony?
Both
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Professional
Since when?
August 2006
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Transparend, Flexible, Structured, it's great
2 Great MVC implementation
3 Documentation
- :
1 So many files, folders, configurations... (it's ok, but it needs some time to get used to it)
2 Documentation of I18N lacks (Collecting Phrases, Different sources -> not well documented)
3 No Template engine (need something with markers)
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. DB Abstraction -> sheme.yml and propel-build-* rocks
2. :Module/:Action concept
3. validation
Which other framework do you use?
TYPO3 Extension Framework, ZendFramework (replaced by symfony), Selfmade company internal (replaced by symfony)
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. Prado
3. Ours
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Yes, we use only open source.
Our salery gets paid by the work/development we sell to our customers, if the licence costs to much, we can sell less work. We hate it to tell a customer "it isn't possible", there is no way we would use/sell a product which we couldn't modify...
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. No licence costs
2. No artificial boundarys
3. Flexible
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
Applications which fits the individual needs of our customers:
Contract management, Project management...
For the webpages we use a real CMS, the one and only good Open Source CMS: TYPO3
Symfony is for applications and not to develop content oriented webpages...
What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
To become the best php framework one can imagine. A framework which gives you the feeling you get, when you enjoy your coffee, reading your newspaper, realaxing in the middle of a beautyfull city like Paris... The feeling that there are still beautyfull things on the planet, which are reliable
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12873 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Wed, 27 September 2006 16:23 |
hausburger
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We'd like to get a better understanding of the symfony community.
Would you mind spending a few minutes to answer these questions?
It will help us to see where our efforts should focus first.
Nationality: German
Age: 27
Sex: male
Professional activity:
webdev (30% server side / 70% front) + online marketing
What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees
What is your interest for symfony?
Professional
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
Community
Since when?
since 12/2005 (follow the buzz)
since 09/2006 (start to develop)
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 Documentation / Community
2 Readable Code
3 ...
- :
1 no 1.0 release yet
2 Learning curve
3
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC
2. Caching
3. i18n
Which other framework do you use?
Selfmade
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
mostly.
because it's OPEN source.
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. easer to understand the software, when can read it
2. costs
3. comunity
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
webapps: ecommerce related
What would you like to see develop around symfony
More Training
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
# long life.
# Integration with jQuery
# Stable 1.0 relase
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| Re: [POLL] What do you use symfony for? [message #12877 is a reply to message #12609 ] |
Wed, 27 September 2006 16:39 |
pminnieur
Messages: 14
Registered: April 2006
Location: Germany |
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Nationality: german
Age: 22
Sex: male
Professional activity: web application developer
What’s the size of your company?
Les than 10 employees
What is your interest for symfony?
Both
Did you introduce symfony into your company?
Yes
How did you get to know symfony?
SymfonyWebsite / Community / Professional / Magazine
Since when?
Early 2006
In your opinion what are the 3 main upside and the 3 main downside of symfony comparing to other Framework?
+ :
1 You can set-up a new environment and scale it to fit your needs very fast.
2 Symfony has so many features that I don't have to look on or for external vendor sources to do something. I can find any documentation centralised at the symfony websites, solutions in the very high frequented forum and patches in the Trac repository, so getting results and help is very easy.
3 Built-in Config, User/Security, Routing, Cache, I18N and Forms (Fillin, Validation) integration
- :
1 No built-in basic search functionalities (sfSearch(Lucene) e.g. Zend_Search_Lucene)
2 It's really hard to built complex forms and listings (multiple pages [wizard]) with filters and sorting (except for the admin generator, but it won't fit your needs always, and many times forms and listings will get too complex for the admin generator)
3 Starting developing with symfony and to understand what you do (and how you could do things) from zero is very hard.
Name 3 of its best technical functionalities
1. MVC pattern
2. Clean API
3. Admin Generator
Which other framework do you use?
Zend Framework (Zend_Search_Lucene, Zend_Service_Amazon), eZ components (ezcPhpGenerator)
Please rank the three best frameworks according to your personal standards
1. Symfony
2. eZ components
3. Zend Framework
Do you only use Open Source? If so why?
Because I don't have the money to buy expensive tools which won't fit my needs.
Name 3 main advantages of the Open Source for you
1. No costs at all
2. Naturally well documented and customisable
3. Open development processes where I can integrate my needs
What kind of web application do you mainly develop with symfony?
My personal websites and a huge online gaming magazine - the magazine will go online in March, 2007
What would you like to see develop around symfony
More documentation, More Support, More Examples
What are your hopes for the future of symfony?
I don't really know, because everything what's planned for the next symfony releases is very good and will fit my needs. I'm currently developing under 0.9-alpha and this version rocks.
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